1 00:00:00,266 --> 00:00:01,433 Hey, guys. Thanks for being with us. 2 00:00:01,433 --> 00:00:03,233 Just a reminder. Will be with you tomorrow. 3 00:00:03,233 --> 00:00:07,966 Thursday will be off, but, glad to have you with us today as we continue through. 4 00:00:07,966 --> 00:00:10,966 John, we are in the 19th verse of the fifth chapter. 5 00:00:11,666 --> 00:00:14,666 Jesus moves into a little bit of, 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,450 a dialog, really kind of a monologue. 7 00:00:17,450 --> 00:00:22,516 But essentially the backdrop is that he's talking with the 8 00:00:22,650 --> 00:00:25,650 the religious leaders who have challenged him. 9 00:00:26,216 --> 00:00:30,800 And so we pick up that conversation day here in verse 19, Jesus said to them, 10 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,833 I tell you the truth, the son of the son can do 11 00:00:33,833 --> 00:00:37,016 nothing on his own, but only what he sees the father doing. 12 00:00:37,016 --> 00:00:40,016 For whatever the father does, the son does likewise. 13 00:00:40,100 --> 00:00:43,666 The father loves the son, shows him all that he himself is doing, and 14 00:00:43,666 --> 00:00:47,566 he will show him greater works than these, so that you will be astonished. 15 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,016 Indeed, just as the father raises the dead and gives them life, 16 00:00:51,016 --> 00:00:54,016 so also the son gives life to whomever he wishes. 17 00:00:54,266 --> 00:00:57,500 The father judges no one, but has given judgment to the son, 18 00:00:57,950 --> 00:01:01,166 that all may honor the son, just as they honor the father. 19 00:01:01,466 --> 00:01:05,033 Anyone who does not honor the son does not honor the father who sent him. 20 00:01:05,483 --> 00:01:08,666 Very truly I tell you, anyone who hears 21 00:01:08,666 --> 00:01:11,700 my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life 22 00:01:12,050 --> 00:01:16,766 and does not come under judgment, but has passed from death to life. 23 00:01:17,033 --> 00:01:18,833 So we stop there. Michael, I think 24 00:01:20,366 --> 00:01:23,000 this is a, 25 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,216 there's interesting theology in this passage. 26 00:01:26,216 --> 00:01:27,083 Very much so. 27 00:01:27,083 --> 00:01:31,366 But I also think this is an interesting snapshot of John, 28 00:01:31,366 --> 00:01:34,733 because John is so upfront 29 00:01:35,266 --> 00:01:38,900 with his what seminary classes would call 30 00:01:38,900 --> 00:01:42,716 Christoph, his understanding of who Jesus is. 31 00:01:43,133 --> 00:01:45,833 And whereas the other gospels 32 00:01:45,833 --> 00:01:49,516 kind of weave that and peel it back layer by layer, 33 00:01:50,100 --> 00:01:53,716 John very much just puts that on display front and center. 34 00:01:53,716 --> 00:01:57,616 And so here we get some of the strongest statements 35 00:01:57,616 --> 00:02:01,366 we have seen, and we'll see, especially compared to Matthew, Mark 36 00:02:01,366 --> 00:02:05,966 and Luke, about this idea of the two natures 37 00:02:05,966 --> 00:02:09,533 of Jesus, that that the father and the son are one. 38 00:02:09,533 --> 00:02:12,833 What what we would call the those two persons of the Trinity. 39 00:02:13,250 --> 00:02:18,116 And John has Jesus saying that very clearly, if you see the father 40 00:02:18,300 --> 00:02:21,766 and what the father is doing, that's the son, what the son is doing, 41 00:02:21,900 --> 00:02:24,950 just as the father raises the dead so the son can do it. 42 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:29,300 If you don't believe in the son, you don't believe in the father who sent the son. 43 00:02:29,483 --> 00:02:33,300 And keep in mind that the backdrop here is that Jesus is talking 44 00:02:33,300 --> 00:02:36,300 to religious leaders, what John calls the Jews. 45 00:02:36,450 --> 00:02:39,166 And this is he. He is, 46 00:02:40,666 --> 00:02:42,983 I suppose, at some level, Michael, you could say he's 47 00:02:42,983 --> 00:02:48,866 defending himself, but more so he's simply teaching. 48 00:02:48,900 --> 00:02:53,033 He's just stating the reality of who he is. 49 00:02:53,033 --> 00:02:58,550 And I do think that adds to a unique flavor in John, 50 00:02:58,550 --> 00:03:02,866 which is far more up front with those kind of theological points. 51 00:03:03,016 --> 00:03:03,900 I agree with you. 52 00:03:03,900 --> 00:03:08,300 I do think the right way to understand this is in the teachings. 53 00:03:08,300 --> 00:03:10,966 Jesus is offering a lesson. 54 00:03:10,966 --> 00:03:14,183 But let's be very clear here. 55 00:03:14,183 --> 00:03:18,566 It is a very confrontational lesson and content. 56 00:03:18,716 --> 00:03:22,316 Yeah, yeah, it's set in such a way that Jesus knows 57 00:03:22,666 --> 00:03:28,016 both the truth of what he's saying, but also the veracity with which 58 00:03:28,016 --> 00:03:29,783 it will be met in the negative 59 00:03:29,783 --> 00:03:34,016 that you will be responded to like a, like a theological virus. 60 00:03:34,016 --> 00:03:37,200 And I think it's important to look here, verse 18, 61 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,266 this is the end of the study yesterday. 62 00:03:39,266 --> 00:03:42,166 But you gotta remember the way that we do these studies. 63 00:03:42,166 --> 00:03:44,516 You know, segmenting them has a downside. 64 00:03:44,516 --> 00:03:47,450 And some of that is we can get chunked into sections. 65 00:03:47,450 --> 00:03:50,783 This flows directly from one to the other, 66 00:03:51,616 --> 00:03:57,050 thereby making himself equal to God by calling God his own father. 67 00:03:57,050 --> 00:03:57,350 Right. 68 00:03:57,350 --> 00:04:00,350 And then the immediate transition is into this lesson. 69 00:04:00,683 --> 00:04:04,250 I truly, I tell you, the son can do nothing on his own. 70 00:04:04,250 --> 00:04:06,083 Only way he sees the father doing so. 71 00:04:06,083 --> 00:04:09,866 This teaching is really fleshing out. 72 00:04:09,866 --> 00:04:13,766 It's giving us insight into the background of what 73 00:04:13,766 --> 00:04:17,783 Jesus has done with this miracle, with this man at the pool. 74 00:04:17,783 --> 00:04:21,750 But the idea that Jesus is making himself equal to God, 75 00:04:22,350 --> 00:04:25,850 that this is where John is so distinctive and you've said it, 76 00:04:25,850 --> 00:04:30,800 and this is just another aspect of what you said, that at the end of the day, 77 00:04:31,516 --> 00:04:34,433 there is no moment in John 78 00:04:34,433 --> 00:04:38,100 in which we need to go from revelation to revelation 79 00:04:38,183 --> 00:04:40,583 when we need to sort of like build the foundation 80 00:04:40,583 --> 00:04:43,816 and then build the first level and then build the second, which we're 81 00:04:43,816 --> 00:04:44,933 chapter five. 82 00:04:44,933 --> 00:04:47,933 We've had John the Baptist witnessing to who Jesus is. 83 00:04:47,933 --> 00:04:49,816 He's testified to the truth. 84 00:04:49,816 --> 00:04:55,500 And here about what three four miracles in Jesus is already claiming perfect 85 00:04:55,500 --> 00:05:01,250 divinity, the perfect sonship, equality with God, and also perfect humanity. 86 00:05:01,250 --> 00:05:04,283 And he's also saying, you're going to see signs 87 00:05:04,700 --> 00:05:07,766 that are unbelievable, that are compelling. 88 00:05:08,066 --> 00:05:13,050 And yet it's not the signs that is the revelation that this is 89 00:05:13,216 --> 00:05:15,200 John in its essence. 90 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,500 And I think it's what makes this book either so helpful 91 00:05:18,500 --> 00:05:20,366 for people or challenging. 92 00:05:20,366 --> 00:05:21,500 And I've heard both. 93 00:05:21,500 --> 00:05:24,800 I've heard some say, Clint, the first gospel 94 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,050 that you should read is John, because it shows you who Jesus is. 95 00:05:28,350 --> 00:05:31,766 Well that's true, I've heard others say the last gospel you should read 96 00:05:31,766 --> 00:05:36,466 is John, because it's deep and complex and it's full of content and meanings. 97 00:05:36,900 --> 00:05:38,400 I think that's also true. 98 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,933 I think this story exemplifies that in a powerful way. 99 00:05:41,933 --> 00:05:45,983 And now this teaching just makes it abundantly clear. 100 00:05:46,216 --> 00:05:47,700 John wants us to know one thing 101 00:05:47,700 --> 00:05:51,450 that John believes is 100% accurate and theologically true. 102 00:05:51,750 --> 00:05:57,566 And also I it's just built into this idea of the revelation of Christ, 103 00:05:57,566 --> 00:06:01,016 which is the central theme that John's going to show the whole time. So 104 00:06:02,316 --> 00:06:05,550 it's I want to spend a little time unpacking this, 105 00:06:05,550 --> 00:06:08,550 because I think there's a sense in which this could be, 106 00:06:10,816 --> 00:06:12,350 misunderstood, or 107 00:06:12,350 --> 00:06:16,216 if I misstated it, I wouldn't want to lead anyone down the wrong path. 108 00:06:16,216 --> 00:06:18,983 But I do think there's a sense Michael. 109 00:06:18,983 --> 00:06:22,066 And tell me if you agree with this, John is far 110 00:06:22,066 --> 00:06:25,066 less. 111 00:06:25,100 --> 00:06:26,300 I won't say interested. 112 00:06:26,300 --> 00:06:30,750 John is less focused on Jesus the man. 113 00:06:31,016 --> 00:06:31,816 Right. 114 00:06:31,816 --> 00:06:33,600 We don't have a genealogy. 115 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,016 We don't have a birth story. 116 00:06:36,016 --> 00:06:38,566 We don't really have temptation story. 117 00:06:38,566 --> 00:06:42,916 We we don't have those things that emphasize Jesus, humanity. 118 00:06:43,166 --> 00:06:46,133 Now, having said that, Jesus is clearly a man. 119 00:06:46,133 --> 00:06:47,450 He's clearly walking the earth. 120 00:06:47,450 --> 00:06:50,966 He's clearly the embodiment, the human embodiment of God. 121 00:06:51,416 --> 00:06:54,416 But whereas the other gospels 122 00:06:54,500 --> 00:06:59,633 take steps to tell us stories of Jesus, the man who is divine, 123 00:07:00,100 --> 00:07:03,150 and John given those choices, 124 00:07:03,150 --> 00:07:06,566 he seems like he's always going to fall on the other side of the fence. 125 00:07:06,566 --> 00:07:12,083 He's always going to to paint a picture of Jesus's theological reality 126 00:07:12,466 --> 00:07:16,016 as the Son of God, as the Incarnate One. 127 00:07:16,016 --> 00:07:19,366 And so here, even to go so far as to say, 128 00:07:19,766 --> 00:07:22,650 if you don't honor the son, 129 00:07:22,650 --> 00:07:25,066 you don't honor the father. 130 00:07:25,066 --> 00:07:28,066 And if you don't believe in the son, 131 00:07:28,433 --> 00:07:30,866 you don't understand the father, right? 132 00:07:30,866 --> 00:07:31,133 That, 133 00:07:32,366 --> 00:07:33,416 that that 134 00:07:33,416 --> 00:07:37,100 John so emphasizes Jesus and God's oneness, 135 00:07:37,550 --> 00:07:41,866 that to disregard Jesus is to disregard God the Father. 136 00:07:42,266 --> 00:07:45,266 And, I think that 137 00:07:46,733 --> 00:07:48,016 in context that 138 00:07:48,016 --> 00:07:51,983 that all of the Gospels argue for the divinity of Jesus. 139 00:07:51,983 --> 00:07:54,150 All of the Gospels paint that picture. 140 00:07:54,150 --> 00:07:56,600 But that's John's go to. 141 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,316 Those are the primary colors that he uses in every scene. 142 00:08:00,316 --> 00:08:04,016 And this, you know, again, as you mentioned, we're not even through 143 00:08:04,016 --> 00:08:07,733 the fifth chapter and and we're in, you know, 144 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,300 Jesus class 2.0 this this is not introduction stuff. 145 00:08:12,300 --> 00:08:15,300 This is right going to the heart of the theological, 146 00:08:17,516 --> 00:08:20,150 components and, and, 147 00:08:20,150 --> 00:08:23,150 material about who Jesus is, 148 00:08:23,266 --> 00:08:28,216 not in some generic sense, but as an extension of the father. 149 00:08:28,216 --> 00:08:32,483 And I just think that you have to understand that that's just 150 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,933 that that is a distinctive of this gospel. 151 00:08:35,933 --> 00:08:36,900 Well, and Clint, 152 00:08:37,850 --> 00:08:41,116 it's impossible to un right. 153 00:08:41,116 --> 00:08:45,416 John, in our minds, it's a critical part of the gospel canon. 154 00:08:45,416 --> 00:08:50,600 But this book serves an important purpose throughout the history of the church, 155 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:55,733 because that this book gets rid of the idea that for a while 156 00:08:55,733 --> 00:09:00,283 was actually circular circling, excuse me, in the early church about this idea. 157 00:09:00,616 --> 00:09:05,116 You know, maybe Jesus was just a guy with some really good ideas 158 00:09:05,116 --> 00:09:09,000 and that that, you know, later he kind of came to have a higher sense 159 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,000 of his purpose or, you know, that maybe Jesus 160 00:09:12,716 --> 00:09:16,433 and his disciples sort of later kind of came to this idea 161 00:09:16,433 --> 00:09:19,433 of, hey, let's, let's create a narrative and spin it up. It. 162 00:09:19,433 --> 00:09:23,266 John serves an important anchoring purpose 163 00:09:23,516 --> 00:09:27,650 in the canon of the four Gospels, because as John tells the story 164 00:09:27,683 --> 00:09:31,650 of Jesus from day one in his ministry 165 00:09:31,766 --> 00:09:36,150 is revealing himself as the fully divine Son of God, 166 00:09:36,450 --> 00:09:42,016 co-equal here, of course, miracles happen when God is at work in the world, right? 167 00:09:42,016 --> 00:09:45,200 I mean, that's just a natural part, but the people who are 168 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,566 looking at the miracles are missing the revelation. 169 00:09:48,566 --> 00:09:52,216 And John is just able to encapsulate 170 00:09:52,216 --> 00:09:55,733 that truth with a kind of speed 171 00:09:56,116 --> 00:10:00,566 and a kind of depth that I don't think arguably we ever see 172 00:10:01,733 --> 00:10:02,566 the, like 173 00:10:02,566 --> 00:10:06,383 kind of content in, say, the gospel of Mark there. 174 00:10:06,466 --> 00:10:08,850 Jesus is fully divine in Mark. 175 00:10:08,850 --> 00:10:13,666 That's there, but not with the emphasis and not with the deliberative teaching. 176 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,100 There's a there's a kind of gift here. 177 00:10:16,100 --> 00:10:17,900 And you might ask yourself, you know, 178 00:10:17,900 --> 00:10:21,450 why are you all spending so much time on this? 179 00:10:21,450 --> 00:10:23,100 Let's keep going. 180 00:10:23,100 --> 00:10:27,450 I think the merit of going slow and reminding ourself of this Clint, 181 00:10:28,283 --> 00:10:33,233 is to remember that what Jesus claims to be 182 00:10:33,916 --> 00:10:36,616 is not just a spiritual teacher. 183 00:10:36,616 --> 00:10:40,283 And this gets repeated often in culture, this idea that you know, 184 00:10:40,283 --> 00:10:43,283 well, Jesus, he had some good ideas. 185 00:10:43,666 --> 00:10:45,766 He did he had some good ideas. 186 00:10:45,766 --> 00:10:50,716 But if you read John, it's clear neither what Jesus taught 187 00:10:50,716 --> 00:10:54,600 as its record in this book nor how John has edited 188 00:10:54,866 --> 00:10:59,400 this book, neither of those supports the idea that that's all that 189 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:00,900 Jesus thought he was doing. 190 00:11:00,900 --> 00:11:05,716 He he had a sense of connection to God 191 00:11:05,900 --> 00:11:09,866 that that was repellant to the Jewish leaders at the time. 192 00:11:10,066 --> 00:11:13,550 And John wants it to be inescapably clear. 193 00:11:13,733 --> 00:11:18,833 The question that's posed to us is, what do we believe about who Jesus is? 194 00:11:19,016 --> 00:11:24,316 And and Jesus's teaching is going to be single, focused, and clear. 195 00:11:24,500 --> 00:11:28,916 The question is, will we see the revelation that way in our reading of it? 196 00:11:29,150 --> 00:11:30,266 Yeah, I think you're right, Michael. 197 00:11:30,266 --> 00:11:35,566 I all, all of the gospels paint a picture of Jesus divinity. 198 00:11:35,566 --> 00:11:37,650 That's a part of all of them. But 199 00:11:38,700 --> 00:11:39,266 where 200 00:11:39,266 --> 00:11:42,866 as Matthew, Mark and Luke would leave some wiggle room 201 00:11:42,866 --> 00:11:46,583 to ask questions, Mark slams all those doors shut. 202 00:11:46,583 --> 00:11:48,383 I mean, or, John. 203 00:11:48,383 --> 00:11:50,566 Excuse me, John 204 00:11:50,566 --> 00:11:53,150 just slams those doors shut on those arguments. 205 00:11:53,150 --> 00:11:56,216 And, therefore, I think part of the help of this 206 00:11:56,216 --> 00:11:59,216 book has been the clearest statement 207 00:11:59,266 --> 00:12:04,283 of those kind of theological truths, the divinity of Christ. 208 00:12:04,283 --> 00:12:07,916 And and remember, we said this in our introduction. 209 00:12:08,266 --> 00:12:11,666 Remember the gospel of John doesn't include parables. 210 00:12:11,666 --> 00:12:17,550 So even the sense that Jesus is kind of a teacher more often than not. 211 00:12:17,550 --> 00:12:21,116 In the Gospel of John, when Jesus is teaching, it's about himself. 212 00:12:21,116 --> 00:12:23,566 It's it's about 213 00:12:23,566 --> 00:12:26,816 the work that God is doing in him and through him 214 00:12:26,816 --> 00:12:30,266 and what he offers people by doing that work. 215 00:12:30,266 --> 00:12:34,500 So, that that kind of almost single minded 216 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:38,900 focus on the relationship 217 00:12:38,900 --> 00:12:41,900 between God and Jesus and the 218 00:12:42,083 --> 00:12:45,533 and the the sameness, the character of both. 219 00:12:45,983 --> 00:12:47,900 I think is really helpful. 220 00:12:47,900 --> 00:12:50,750 I don't know, that's a good question. 221 00:12:50,750 --> 00:12:54,016 I don't know that you start with the Gospel of John, but 222 00:12:54,016 --> 00:12:57,016 you would certainly want to have it there 223 00:12:57,533 --> 00:13:00,500 if you had if you wanted to look into what 224 00:13:00,500 --> 00:13:06,166 the Gospels say about who Jesus is, I think you have to balance. 225 00:13:07,433 --> 00:13:10,733 I just think so much of that is so strongly stated in 226 00:13:10,733 --> 00:13:14,300 John that it's very helpful to have on the table with you. 227 00:13:14,816 --> 00:13:18,766 There's a really subtle shift that's happening here towards the end 228 00:13:18,766 --> 00:13:22,250 of the passage that we've read here, that I just want to point it out to you. 229 00:13:22,266 --> 00:13:25,666 It's it starts with the negative and that leads to the positive. 230 00:13:25,916 --> 00:13:30,500 So anyone in verse 23, anyone who does not honor 231 00:13:30,500 --> 00:13:34,433 the son does not honor the father who sent him. 232 00:13:34,433 --> 00:13:36,383 Okay? It's not that that's in the negative. 233 00:13:36,383 --> 00:13:39,383 Now we turn to the positive, but very truly, 234 00:13:39,866 --> 00:13:42,616 I tell you or sincerely I tell you, 235 00:13:42,616 --> 00:13:47,266 anyone who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life, 236 00:13:47,516 --> 00:13:50,550 does not come under judgment, but has passed from death to life. 237 00:13:50,550 --> 00:13:54,466 Those two, any ones are absolutely critical. 238 00:13:54,466 --> 00:13:59,666 They are so important that you catch that there's an anyone who rejects 239 00:13:59,966 --> 00:14:03,766 and does not honor the revelation of God in Jesus Christ, 240 00:14:03,766 --> 00:14:06,800 the one who doesn't see Jesus for who he is. 241 00:14:07,350 --> 00:14:11,816 Then there's the anyone who both sees and believes. 242 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:18,750 And that is a powerful teaching tool that Jesus is using. 243 00:14:18,750 --> 00:14:24,500 And I would argue also, John is giving to us in this particular way. 244 00:14:24,500 --> 00:14:28,666 He's recounting Jesus's words so that we can put ourselves 245 00:14:28,666 --> 00:14:33,450 in the moment of the anyone and wonder to ourselves, 246 00:14:33,566 --> 00:14:39,016 am I the honor or am I the, the, the anyone who honors or doesn't honor? 247 00:14:39,166 --> 00:14:43,066 Or am I the one who sees and believes, the one who then is 248 00:14:43,066 --> 00:14:46,366 given eternal life and the community that receives this book? 249 00:14:46,616 --> 00:14:50,450 They answer that question enthusiastically. 250 00:14:50,700 --> 00:14:52,166 We believe, John. 251 00:14:52,166 --> 00:14:54,500 We believe he's the one. And. 252 00:14:54,500 --> 00:14:57,750 And what's incredible about how John tells this story is 253 00:14:57,750 --> 00:15:00,766 it's not just about the anyone gathered there. 254 00:15:00,766 --> 00:15:04,066 It's left open so that we can enter into the scene 255 00:15:04,066 --> 00:15:09,683 so that we can cast ourselves in that question of which anyone am I? 256 00:15:09,683 --> 00:15:12,166 And that's not accidental. 257 00:15:12,166 --> 00:15:15,800 And I think it is a powerful way for the Gospels 258 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:20,250 to really reach in to our present moment and to engage us with our faith right now. 259 00:15:20,250 --> 00:15:23,400 And I think there's another chapter to that, too, given 260 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:28,216 that we've just recently seen stories about a Samaritan woman, 261 00:15:28,950 --> 00:15:32,100 a possible Gentile male official, 262 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,850 and then a long time, 38 year 263 00:15:36,416 --> 00:15:41,400 affected, invalid, I think it's, 264 00:15:42,916 --> 00:15:43,433 those are 265 00:15:43,433 --> 00:15:46,883 reminders that John here does mean anyone. 266 00:15:46,883 --> 00:15:51,650 When Jesus says anyone, he doesn't mean Jewish religious people. 267 00:15:51,650 --> 00:15:52,950 He doesn't mean Pharisees. 268 00:15:52,950 --> 00:15:58,516 He he he truly, as we've already seen, evidence in the book, means 269 00:15:58,850 --> 00:16:03,450 that whoever puts their faith in me will come to eternal life. 270 00:16:03,450 --> 00:16:05,866 And I think, you know, in the background, 271 00:16:05,866 --> 00:16:09,916 John has already been making that case for anyone. 272 00:16:09,916 --> 00:16:15,083 Truly does mean anyone that that's not a there aren't walls on that statement. 273 00:16:15,083 --> 00:16:16,966 There aren't there aren't parameters. 274 00:16:16,966 --> 00:16:20,116 It's if you if you come to Christ in belief, 275 00:16:21,266 --> 00:16:25,850 Christ offers you what you inherit through that belief. 276 00:16:25,850 --> 00:16:29,250 And that applies to anyone who would do it. 277 00:16:29,250 --> 00:16:30,316 And I think that's 278 00:16:30,316 --> 00:16:33,866 that's a that's a powerful message here, a subtle one, but powerful. 279 00:16:34,133 --> 00:16:37,950 There's also just a really quick note here at the very end of this, verse 24 280 00:16:38,416 --> 00:16:42,150 does not come under judgment, but has passed from death to life. 281 00:16:42,533 --> 00:16:47,300 This is a really difficult kind of language that we we even today, 282 00:16:47,316 --> 00:16:50,900 scholars are going to try to parse exactly what's happening there. 283 00:16:51,233 --> 00:16:51,683 Clint. 284 00:16:51,683 --> 00:16:54,916 People who want to read John literally are going to be frustrated 285 00:16:54,916 --> 00:16:58,583 all of the time, because clearly, no one in this moment 286 00:16:58,583 --> 00:17:02,366 that Jesus is teaching this, this isn't a resurrection story per se. 287 00:17:02,516 --> 00:17:06,766 This is a spiritual teaching, but it is a resurrection story at the same time. 288 00:17:07,066 --> 00:17:11,250 There's depths and layers, and there's so much richness 289 00:17:11,250 --> 00:17:14,150 in Jesus's teaching as John chronicles it. 290 00:17:14,150 --> 00:17:17,300 For us, it means if you're 291 00:17:17,300 --> 00:17:21,416 reading John and you're getting neatly packaged things 292 00:17:21,416 --> 00:17:24,950 with bows on them, you've probably not heard the depth of it yet. 293 00:17:24,950 --> 00:17:26,900 And I just point out to say, here 294 00:17:26,900 --> 00:17:30,950 he but has passed from death to life, has a rich, rich, 295 00:17:31,066 --> 00:17:35,783 complex, spiritual, physical, relational, even kind of meaning to it. 296 00:17:36,083 --> 00:17:40,100 And and John just drops that in and it's going to frustrate 297 00:17:40,100 --> 00:17:43,733 anyone who tries to sort of boil it down to this is the simple thing. 298 00:17:43,733 --> 00:17:45,233 Yeah. If you're trying to carve that down 299 00:17:45,233 --> 00:17:47,266 to the core, I think you're going to miss it. 300 00:17:47,266 --> 00:17:48,350 Does John mean 301 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,116 literal death and life? 302 00:17:51,116 --> 00:17:53,750 Yes. Does he also mean living? 303 00:17:53,750 --> 00:17:56,700 Is belief in Christ and not believing in Christ? 304 00:17:56,700 --> 00:17:59,333 Is some sort of dying? Yes. 305 00:17:59,333 --> 00:18:02,666 Does he mean the experience of death and life? 306 00:18:02,666 --> 00:18:04,766 Yes, he means all of that. 307 00:18:04,766 --> 00:18:09,450 For for him, that's all encapsulated in what it means to believe in Christ. 308 00:18:09,450 --> 00:18:14,716 And I think if you try to parse that out and separate it, you're going to forfeit 309 00:18:14,716 --> 00:18:18,050 that that big, albeit messy idea 310 00:18:18,050 --> 00:18:21,050 that John brings to the table when he says those things. 311 00:18:21,233 --> 00:18:22,650 Yeah, I think big anesthesia. 312 00:18:22,650 --> 00:18:25,800 Good sort of key closing word for us here today. 313 00:18:25,950 --> 00:18:28,016 This book has so much to offer. 314 00:18:28,016 --> 00:18:31,016 And at some point, it's going to leave us with a little bit 315 00:18:31,050 --> 00:18:33,900 of all of those ingredients left out. 316 00:18:33,900 --> 00:18:36,300 And I think that that's exactly what Jesus intended. 317 00:18:36,300 --> 00:18:37,166 But don't you think? 318 00:18:37,166 --> 00:18:42,150 I mean, again, John says life and he just means Jesus. 319 00:18:42,150 --> 00:18:45,050 And if you want to try and pin him down on. What do you mean? 320 00:18:45,050 --> 00:18:48,050 You just I mean, Jesus, I yeah, I mean, 321 00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:52,050 he he doesn't feel the need to make that smaller 322 00:18:52,050 --> 00:18:55,316 because of, of how powerful I think he understands it to be. 323 00:18:55,516 --> 00:18:57,316 I what you said there was subtle. 324 00:18:57,316 --> 00:18:58,733 So I make sure that we all hear it, though. 325 00:18:58,733 --> 00:19:03,166 Clint, you can't dissect the living thing and yet still be alive. 326 00:19:03,500 --> 00:19:09,683 And I think what's very clear is John wants us to know that life is Jesus. 327 00:19:09,683 --> 00:19:10,666 It's that's all. 328 00:19:10,666 --> 00:19:14,633 It's a living being, that Jesus is the way, 329 00:19:14,633 --> 00:19:16,350 the truth and life we're going to see both. 330 00:19:16,350 --> 00:19:17,816 Now and later. 331 00:19:17,816 --> 00:19:20,816 Yes. And don't try to reduce it to something else. 332 00:19:20,900 --> 00:19:22,550 Okay. Thanks for being with us here today. 333 00:19:22,550 --> 00:19:24,866 Like this video if you found it helpful, subscribe. 334 00:19:24,866 --> 00:19:26,750 So you stick with us as we study tomorrow. 335 00:19:26,750 --> 00:19:30,016 And remember, not Thursday and we'll see you all again real soon. 336 00:19:30,016 --> 00:19:30,566 Thanks everybody.