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Hey, thanks for joining us.

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As we continue through the Gospel of John.

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We are in the fifth chapter,
the 25th verse.

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If I'm being 100% honest today, this is.

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One of the kind of passages that I think

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in some ways reflects my relationship
with the Gospel of John.

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I, I don't know if we've actually gone
into this yet, Michael,

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but you are a fan of the Gospel of John.

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I, I,
I don't want to use favorite, but you

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you like the gospel of John very much.

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I like some parts of the Gospel
of John very much.

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And then sometimes I just feel

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the weight of John being John and

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for me,

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today's passage is kind of one of those
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we just are going to kind of pile on.

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So I'm going to read a few verses.

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I do think there's

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some important stuff in here,
but there's a lot of the personality

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of John coming through in what
Jesus says in these verses.

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So starting with 25,

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I tell you

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the truth, the hour is coming
is now here when the dead

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will hear the voice of the Son of God,
and those who hear it will live.

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For just as the father
has life in himself,

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so he has granted
the son also to have life in himself,

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and he has given him authority to execute
judgment, because he is the Son of Man.

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Do not be astonished at this,
for the hour is coming,

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when all who are in their graves
will hear his voice, and will come out.

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And those who have done good
to the resurrection of life,

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and those who have done evil
to the resurrection of condemnation.

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So what do I mean by John being John here?

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I think occasionally,

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I don't think you're going to be able
to read the Gospel of John seriously

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without having some head
scratching moments in which you reread and

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and it sounds like John is saying
some of the same things over

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and over again, and you find yourself
saying, what is the point here?

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And I actually do think
that's a good way to read.

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What is the point?

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Because if you can find the
the Prime Mary point

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that John is making,
I think you can be a little less,

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distracted,

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maybe would be a word
by some of the other stuff.

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And so here we have this, this moment.

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Michael, Jesus says,
I tell you the truth, the hours coming.

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Know the hours.

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Hear when the dead will hear the voice
of God, and those who hear will live.

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Now, we've just had this conversation
prior, yesterday's

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study about death and life.

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John may not have literally dead

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here in mind, though that seems to make
an appearance in a moment.

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But again, a restatement of this idea

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that living means listening

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to God, hearing the truth, knowing Christ,

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and that death means
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And so then, and this another turn.

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The father has life,
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So what's John telling us,

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as we said yesterday,
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with God through Christ,
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and what it means to live
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and what it means not to live
for those who turn away.

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And that's not all John's
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but it's another way of saying it here.

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Well, one thing I would note here, Clint,

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is that for all of the complexities of
John and we've said this now so many times

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already in the midst of this study,
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there's there's
quite a few complexities in this book.

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I think that John is no different

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than the other three synoptic gospels
Matthew, Mark and Luke.

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It's no different from those in the sense
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is always and consistently Jesus Christ.

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Jesus is the center.

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What makes John, I think distinctive is
when you come into it, excuse me?

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And you come into it like this,
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the levels of spiritual teaching
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What you discover is in red letters,
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that we have on the screen here.

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What you see
very quickly is that Jesus is revealing,

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as John recounts it,
the truth of Jesus's centrality.

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It began with the idea
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in the beginning,
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of the creating power of the world,
the ordering power of the world.

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And now here we have this amazing phrase
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just as the father has life

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unto himself, the idea that life is

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doesn't need to be maintained,
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So the father isn't reliant upon anyone
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And in the same way,
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So there's this beautiful kind of
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that what you see in
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And when you see Jesus Christ,
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you also see God's redemptive, perfect,
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I think there's a kind of maturity
to this gospel because of it.

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I also think if one is looking for,
hey, John, what's the simple point?

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This is not the easiest way
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This is not the most simplistic way
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that I think you could argue, is done
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and other gospels, where there's often
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Here's the point.

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But in John, Jesus is not teaching.

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Towards that end, Jesus
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And I think that gives this book
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But I think at the end of the day, to
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what it shares with the other gospels is
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And so if you're looking
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look for some answers to the question
Who is Jesus in this text?

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And it's going to get you close
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so I would say in the other Gospels,
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Teaching.

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I think, you know, if you're prone

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to like the narrative things, the stories,
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I think maybe those these sections
are going to be a little drier.

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I think they take a little more work.

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They sound confusing.

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John has a way of kind of
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And he's given him authority
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Do not be astonished at this,
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We've talked about that.

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The idea that for John
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the resurrection are Jesus's moment.

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at that moment is coming in that,
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when that happens,
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He is already Jesus.

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He simply hasn't had that hour,
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when even those in the grave
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until it is a separation from God.

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And even those who have died
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done good to resurrection
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language like that can be a little off
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Reformed Christians
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righteousness, that, you know, you would
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it is worth saying that for John,

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what one does is what one believes.

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So it is not simply
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and they've done a lot of good,
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Eternal life is always through Christ.

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And if they've done good,
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And I you know, John doesn't say it.

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I think the overhanging implication here

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is that that's an extension of belief.

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It's an extension of obedience
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And and John intertwines
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reformed
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We have overdone the idea of a division
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in John,
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No, I, I think that would be importing it
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speaking to.

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the teachings of Jesus tend to be less

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interested in some of the

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theological quibbles
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And I think that this is a great example
of it.

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Clint, to your point,

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the hours coming when all who are in
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By the way, this is a significant concern
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We see this like in the book
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what's going to happen to those believers
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you know, they've lost their life
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comes to the end of their own
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when we've been waiting and anticipating

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the return of Christ,
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And so what, you know, we might read past
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even those who are in their graves,
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to hear his voice. Right.

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So it's not just a matter of physical life
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to experience resurrection
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Right now it's even those who are dead.

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And then this frame, those who've done
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the fact that we have this paired together
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This reminds me, Clint, of like the
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Or the wheat and chaff.

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I mean, Jesus has similar teachings
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What what I think is happening here
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this idea that one's belief
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eternal place in God's
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And I think that Jesus is making,
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and you could argue
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what you have to remember
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with the hope and intention
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asking real questions of the faith
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and the teachings of Jesus in such a way
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Wood would understand
their place in their role,

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and I think a text like this
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Because for people who are asking,
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As we consider
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role in in God's kingdom?

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Well, the answer is not even death itself
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either those who did good
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whose belief was and whose witness and
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or those whose eyes were closed,
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death itself can hold those people
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a little,
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not to read all of these texts
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like heaven and afterlife.

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I think John has some of that in mind.

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But when John uses these words
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he also means the condition
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And there is a connection of the condition
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and our eternal reality, or our life
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But but it's not simply physical for John
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And remember,
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he he doesn't mean you get to go to heaven
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in the sense that maybe the church later
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He means that the condition of your life
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and consumed, and reflective
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among them God's covenant,
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and and that God Himself,
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and condition of one spirit,
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likely a life beyond death.

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not simply death as the grave, death

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as the opposite of what
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and death to mean a multitude of things,
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a variety of realities and largely for him
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or at least more frequently
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They're both in there.
I want to be clear about that.

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the language of our spiritual condition,

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Christ is the foundation
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or not, believing in Christ is the
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And I think you have to keep that in mind
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is this idea of those who have done evil,

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that that evil word is the thing
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I remember the story where Jesus comes in

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and addresses
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It's it's right away.

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In the beginning of this book,
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coming into the temple and his throwing
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The thing in John that is so clear
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because the evil being done,
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is that people are creating roadblocks
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the thing that they're doing is
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God's revelation in Christ, but
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being able to see it, to avail themselves,
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People's right
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And I think it's really evil, really evil,

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really easy for us, I think, to insert
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this idea of the deeds that are done
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you know, it's
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The stuff that people do that's bad.

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I think John has more specific ideas
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I think what's evil is the Antichrist.

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It's the antithesis
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And you have that in, in spades
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where a lot of time is spent
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and the character of a person
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So I think evil here has to be read
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that if Jesus Christ
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then belief will will lead one to good,
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and that will ultimately lead
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in seeing the revelation of Christ,
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whatever extent they are, they are missing
what God is doing in Christ.

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They're missing an opportunity
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Because John chapter three,
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and plan is for the whole world.

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The question is that how does the whole
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Yeah, at the risk of oversimplifying it,
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if it is of God, it is good,
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If it is of God,
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And if it is not,
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And so when one turns away from the truth,
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when one does not do good,
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God, one participates in death, one

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lacks good and therefore lacks life.

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But I think if you want to paint
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what you would find at the bottom of it.

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Let's not get lost, right?

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Remember here that all of this
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related to, person being healed,
breaking of Sabbath

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law, Jesus arguing with the Jews,
now teaching a contrary kind of teaching.

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Let's just remember that what Jesus is
offering is a different way, Clint,

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to the to the many ways
that we're sort of argued, debated,

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presented
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And and what Jesus is offering
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He's offering the revelation of God
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If you boil it down,
is that there's only one way

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to be connected to the eternal Triune God,
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and that's going to be made more explicit.

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But this is the theological framework
that all connects and whines and bends

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throughout this entire book.

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This is all intertwined.

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And and we're going to see more of it
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I think one of the distinctiveness of
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is that John, as all the Gospels do,
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John does that

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more than the others in Jesus's own voice.

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The others tell stories
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John puts that theological question
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in the mouth of Jesus, and I think that
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It also gives it a certain challenge
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So that continues on.

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Actually, when we continue the study
on Monday, where we're going

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to get into some
even more depths of this teaching.

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So we hope you'll join us for that.

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