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Hey, everybody.

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Welcome back.

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Thanks for being with us again
as we continue through the Gospel of John,

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kicking into the fourth chapter today.

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An extended story that the first time,
I think that we're going to see

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John devote
most of a chapter to a particular story.

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John likes to do this.

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He, he is a fan of long involved stories.

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And then he usually works
some wrinkles in and out of them as well.

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So we may be on this one for a day or two
or a couple days probably,

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but we'll get into it today, starting
with first verse of chapter four.

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Going on here a little bit.

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Now, when Jesus learned that the Pharisees

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had heard Jesus is making
and baptizing more disciples than John,

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although it was not Jesus himself,
but his disciples who baptized,

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he left Judea and started back to Galilee,
but he had to go through Samaria.

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He came to
the Samaritan city called seeker, near

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the plot of ground
that Jacob had given to his son Joseph.

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Jacob's well was there, and Jesus,

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tired out by
his journey, was sitting by the well.

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It was about noon.

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A Samaritan woman came

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to draw water, and Jesus said to her,
could give me a drink.

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His disciples had gone into the city
to buy food.

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The Samaritan woman said to him,
how is it that you,

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a Jew, ask a drink of me,
a woman of Samaria?

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Jews do not share things in common
with Samaritans.

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Jesus answered her,
if you knew the gift of God

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and who it is that is saying to you,
give me a drink.

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You would have asked him,
and he would give you living water.

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The woman said to him, sir,
you have no bucket.

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The well is deep.

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Where do you get this living water?

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Are you greater than our ancestor Jacob,
who gave us the well,

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and with his sons and flocks
drank from it.

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Oh, we stop there, Michael. So,

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a little bit of background stuff here

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that John is kind of telling us
without needing to tell his readers.

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Jesus is taking the direct route.

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He is leaving,

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Judea.

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As attention has been drawn to him.

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And we see this in all of the Gospels,
when the the Jewish people,

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particularly Jewish religious leaders,

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get focused on Jesus,
Jesus often relocates.

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And that's the case here.

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John adds a strange detail about the he's

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getting more disciples than John, so
maybe there's some discomfort happening.

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We don't exactly.

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I don't at least know
exactly what that means.

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But Jesus is going to return to Galilee
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going to take the direct route,

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which takes him through Samaria, Samaria,
and the Samaritans and Jews.

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Though they share a lineage.

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Had long before
this had a split over some theological

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and some genealogical differences,
and the short version

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is that they really don't deal
with one another if they don't have to.

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As a rule.

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Jews and Samaritans
held some animosity toward one another.

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The Jews didn't trust the Samaritans.

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They considered them
kind of an impure part of the Jewish line.

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Kind of,

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kind of outside of the family.

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Thus, the Samaritans rejected Jerusalem
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And so there was tension here ethnically.

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There was tension
theologically, religiously.

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And and Jesus finds himself in this place
instead of going around.

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Jesus, interestingly enough, goes
straight through.

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Yeah.

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So the fact that Jesus has chosen
this path where we're really not given

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a real explanation for it, other than this
language that we have here.

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That he is, going because of,

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Excuse me.

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The text says verse four,
he had to go through Samaria.

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That that could be in the Gospel of John.

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Purely logistical note.

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It could be that Jesus, is,
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and energy, wine to make a three day
journey instead of a longer day journey.

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On the flip
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he has to go through
Samaria may be a kind of pre awareness

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of this encounter that he's going to have
with this woman along the way.

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This this is very importantly,
Clint, a story

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that we have framed now
at the idea of happening around noon.

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We see that here in verse six.

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And of course, we've just had an encounter
with Nicodemus that is at night.

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And now we have an encounter
with this woman that's happening,

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where the sun is now high in the sky.

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It's a well lit scene.

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Another detail that the Gospel of John,
shouldn't be missed.

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Here, we just have this
this sort of growing, budding moment

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in which Jesus encounters
a woman that he should have never met.

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He's having a conversation with a person
he should have never talked to.

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He is exploring a history
which is disagreed.

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Disagreed upon by both parties.

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At the end of the day,

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and now there's going to be
this cryptic language

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that we've already seen
about the idea of the water itself

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and this utilizing a trope
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here in the gospel where, like,
how am I going to be born again?

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Jesus will here.

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If you can give me living water,
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when you don't even have a bucket?

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Where where are you getting this water?

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Where is your water coming from?

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Another classic example where Jesus says
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but is intended
to have multiple meanings of

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of deepening spiritual world depth.

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And here Jesus is
of course going to come to answer this.

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But before we get to
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I just want to note, isn't it fascinating

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that this text begins in verse
one right here with this language

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about the baptizing,
about about this moment of repentance,

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about, in this case, the question of,

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you know, Jesus baptizing more than John.

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But it's not just Jesus,
it's his disciples.

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Well, baptism happens in water.

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And it's striking that John pairs
this with a story

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about living water,
about the fact that here it is.

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Jesus who's offering you this woman
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that meets the eye.

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And I think these are paired together
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So it's intentional.

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John likes.

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We've already seen this in the Nicodemus
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John likes the idea of misunderstanding.

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It's one of his primary techniques
of storytelling.

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And so here he has Jesus talking
to a woman who misunderstands him.

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She misunderstands
why he would be talking to her.

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Then she misunderstands what he's saying.

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And, because this is an important story,
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an unusual story, it's gotten
a lot of attention through the years.

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Some scholars
point out things like it would be

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unusual for this woman
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This is well outside of town,
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It it is conjectured by some,

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or it is guessed by some
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where the conversation is going to go,
perhaps that's true.

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Perhaps this woman wanted to be
by herself, and Jesus,

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finds himself
confronting her in her very attempt

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to avoid embarrassment
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which is the hottest part of the day
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There are a lot of,

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I think, a lot of places you can dig
into these details and begin to ask,

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what is John saying
behind the things that we're reading?

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So here, I think at this point
in the story, it's important to know

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that the woman is confused
as to why Jesus would be speaking to her.

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She's confused again by Jesus's words

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that if he if she knew who

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she was talking to,
she would be asking him for water.

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But a living water, a spring water would,

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water that would come up naturally.

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And so then this conversation continues.

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Just a couple more verses here.

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Then Jesus said to her,
everyone who drinks the water

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will be thirsty again,
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that I will give
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The water that I give them
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gushing up to life eternal.

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And then the woman said to him, sir,
give me this water,

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that I may never be thirsty, and have to
keep coming back here to draw water.

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So again, a misunderstanding.

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Jesus says this thing
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and just as in the case of Nicodemus,

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she hears it as a thing
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Well, that sounds great.
I'd love to have that water.

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Then I wouldn't have to come out to the

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well in the middle of the day
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Give me that water.

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And what this does,
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we'll look at tomorrow, it sets the stage

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for a reality

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that Jesus has in mind
a much deeper conversation.

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And Jesus is leading this woman
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to consider something more spiritual
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I think that maybe a modern reader
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to find some of the meaning of this text.

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If we are unaware of the substantial

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depth of the rivalry, the

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the really unacceptable mingling
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and I think the tone of the woman
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11 really matters,
because the two things that follow

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both reflect a very critical,
very judgmental kind of spirit.

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The first is you don't have a bucket,
the wells deep, you know,

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who do you think you are?

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You really think you're that great?

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And then this idea,
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She's really sort of bowing back.

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And she's launching into an argument
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would have on, just the turn of a dime.

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This is,

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the kind of debate that we would have

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in modern society, you know,
are you a Coke person or a Pepsi person?

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That's a trite example. But,

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we can launch into a debate on that thing.

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We've had that conversation before.

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These are this is well-traveled ground
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And so I think that that matters
as we turn our attention to the end

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here in verse 15, because when she says,
sir, give me this water

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so that I may never be thirsty
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Clint, I think the reader is fairly able
to read this with a few different senses.

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I mean, on one hand

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you could say that
this is somewhat of a factual inquiry.

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I would love to have the kind of water
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It would be nice to not have to come here.

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I suspect that John would have intended,
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reading of this text,
that there's a decent amount

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of sarcasm, in that tone, that this idea.

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Sure. I'd love to not have to do any work.

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And I think that this woman is in a moment

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here of both saying a thing
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to deeper faith, and also could be saying
a thing that represents her resisting it.

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And both of those might exist
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on purpose, because of some of the stuff
that's going to follow here.

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And I think when I was young
and as a child read stories like this.

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Clint, I think I always read it in
its most simplistic sense that, oh,

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yeah, she's saying,
I'd love to have that water,

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but I think it is helpful to slow down
when reading scripture

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and to see that sometimes these characters
are actually pushing back.

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Sometimes they are resisting
the thing that Jesus is revealing.

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And this story is interesting
for how it's going to continue.

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But up to this point,
I think that's a fair reading,

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that there may be more layers
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I think this is one of those stories that

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we can easily miss some of the details.

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Jesus is breaking some significant social
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First of all, he's traveling
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avoid.

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Secondly, he's speaking to a woman

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which would have been questionable.

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Third, and to add to that,

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he's speaking to a woman who a Samaritan,

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which would have been largely unacceptable
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So Jesus is is breaking these norms.

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And I think it's important.

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And John is perhaps the most comfortable
with this, with Jesus, who would do that,

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who would not be hindered
by the kind of social,

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cultural, religious expectations
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And when we see that,
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or those guidelines to engage

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this woman in a real conversation,
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she does not yet understand
the depth of where that's going to go.

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She thinks that Jesus
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Either she really thinks that,
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maybe pushing back with a little sarcasm,

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but she does not yet understand

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that the things
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are not the things that will make her life
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They're not conveniences.

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They're the spiritual reality
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and the condition of her her life.

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obviously that is not going to go

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where this woman anticipates it going.

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she thinks they're
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and she's about to find out that
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that conversation is never on the surface.

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It's never lighthearted.

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There's always going to be something
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Well, and I think that's perfectly
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the idea that the water that I will give,
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a spring of water
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So what is the eternal part
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Is it either that the water will eternally

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be coming
it's a never ending water supply?

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which is to go beyond the
the horizon of life that we see?

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This woman is firmly caught
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with this Jew,
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She's fixated on what's wrong

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in this social encounter
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It seems clear that she's completely
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of the God who's standing in front of her
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He's not promising water that bubbles up
from Jacob's well for eternity.

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It's not land locked to time in that way.

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What he's promising
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the water of his baptism,
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then then she will experience
a kind of life that knows no end, life

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that she cannot, even in the midst
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because she can't get beyond the struggle
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understand the context of this story,
understandably struggling to understand

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what's happening, what is amazing
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and the story.

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We have more story to go.

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There's more time
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What this woman understands
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and if we, the reader, can stick with it
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to see some interesting things
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Yeah, I, I agree, I, I think that

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the second half of this story
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I hope you can be with us tomorrow
as it sheds some light on

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not only this woman's
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but more broadly,
what it means to be thirsty

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and what it means to be quenched,
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that life would well up in us. And,

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this woman,

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on this unnamed day
in the middle of the day at a place

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she thought she was just going to go get
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is going to be surprised
what else she receives here.

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I think that's a great segue.

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Certainly if you found this conversation
of part one helpful, give it a

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like subscribe for tomorrow's conversation
and we look forward to seeing you.

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Then.