John 17:1-10

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Clint Loveall
Hey, everybody. Thanks for joining us. I appreciate you being with us. Move into the 17th chapter of the Gospel of John and, What do you say about this chapter, Michael? It it is it’s unique. In it, we have the longest sustained prayer that Jesus gives. There’s really correct me if I’m wrong. There’s no equivalent of this chapter in the other gospels.

00:00:29:36 – 00:01:00:27
Clint Loveall
Right? This is something that is only found in John. There are it functions both as a prayer of Jesus and I think in some ways for John, a summary. And, and we’ll see today where John is hitting some of the highlight reel, in the prayer already. But we, we really are here covering some material that is only found really here.

00:01:00:32 – 00:01:22:34
Clint Loveall
There’s just nothing else like this. It’s not the easiest chapter, probably in some ways, but it is fascinating. So let me jump in here. 17 verse one. Read through verse ten or so. We’ll come back and talk it through. After Jesus had spoken these words, he looked up at heaven and he said, father, the hour has come.

00:01:22:39 – 00:01:42:51
Clint Loveall
Glorify your son, that the son may glorify you, since you have given him authority over all people to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. And this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. I glorified you on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do.

00:01:42:55 – 00:02:01:43
Clint Loveall
So now, father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had in your presence before the world existed. I’ve made your name known to those whom you gave me from the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me. And they have kept your word. Now they know that everything you have given me is from you.

00:02:01:48 – 00:02:22:43
Clint Loveall
For the words that you gave me, I have given to them, and they have received them, and know in truth that I came from you, and that they have believed that you sent me. I’m asking on their behalf. I’m not asking on behalf of the world, but behalf of those whom you gave me, because they are yours. All mine are yours, and all yours are mine.

00:02:22:48 – 00:02:49:13
Clint Loveall
And I have been glorified in them. So we have been talking, throughout this gospel, John has made reference to the idea of the hour, the time of Jesus. And that is for John, just a way of saying the cross. And Jesus now begins this section. The hour has come and and this for John, is the kind of no turning back moment.

00:02:49:13 – 00:03:12:50
Clint Loveall
This is the line that has now been crossed. So sure is Jesus of what he’s going to do and of John that Jesus is going to do it, that the timeline here gets fluid. Jesus can speak of things that haven’t happened yet, as if they already have, because it is. It is a foregone conclusion that they will.

00:03:13:03 – 00:03:39:27
Clint Loveall
So the hour has come, which means the cross which hasn’t come yet but is coming and there’s no way around it, nor would Jesus try to get around it. In the Gospel of John and so that I think Michael, right off the right off the jump here, we get this idea of, finality is too strong of a word, but but a conclusion of some sort.

00:03:39:27 – 00:03:57:25
Clint Loveall
This this for John, I think, functions to move us toward understanding what the end is. And, and he unpacks that in many ways. You gave them to me. I gave them your word. We see a lot of that here. But I think that’s a pretty consistent theme as, as at least as I read it.

00:03:57:30 – 00:04:25:24
Michael Gewecke
So I do think that there is a way that this is something what we’ve seen before. But I think to understand that, let’s make sure that we are all on the same page as to what makes John the gospel distinctive from some of the other gospels. And Clint, you may push back on me here, but I think John is chiefly interested in peeling away who Jesus is behind the scenes, and that is especially who Jesus is spiritually.

00:04:25:38 – 00:04:47:07
Michael Gewecke
Another way of saying that is theologically the other gospels care about that too. Certainly Matthew cares about the prophecies. And, certainly we see, you know, in Mark that Jesus is the the supernatural worker. But so much of their account of Jesus’s life is related to the story of what Jesus did and the narrative of where he went and who he talked to.

00:04:47:07 – 00:05:16:08
Michael Gewecke
All of these things, I think, really sit at the center of of pinning together the the timeline of Jesus’s life in John. This prayer, as it seems to me, is a transition moment that is going to stand in between the teachings and revelation of Jesus Christ, the witness that he gives. It’s a transition moment that is turning the whole equation into the narrative of what we know is going to happen.

00:05:16:08 – 00:05:51:10
Michael Gewecke
If, following this prayer, we’re going to move directly into the thing that Jesus already knows is coming. And by the way, I think John assumes that we, the reader, is knows what’s coming as well. Yeah. I think what’s happening here is we’re moving from the behind the scenes. This is who Jesus is as the revealer of God. And we’re we are seeing Jesus some all of this together as he now is in many ways committing himself to God, committing himself to these disciples, and committing the disciples who are not even yet disciples to God, which we’re going to see later in this chapter.

00:05:51:19 – 00:06:09:10
Michael Gewecke
So there’s a kind of turning that’s going to happen in the story. Then the narrative is going to kick off the things that you and I take for granted that we know we’re going to happen. And John is in this moment. Then I think, helping us see that all of this is connected and by design, that there’s no accident here.

00:06:09:10 – 00:06:38:16
Michael Gewecke
The narrative to come is not and somehow different from the spiritual reality of who Jesus is. It. It’s a hard chapter to read because I think it is John doing what John does in part in other places, and John’s just allowing it to happen without any real restraint here, just the words that flow upon words, the ideas that connect to ideas and, and it can be very hard to follow a particular through line through the text.

00:06:38:16 – 00:06:55:46
Michael Gewecke
And I just think your idea of, of summation gets to that, the idea that there’s so many things we’ve seen before that are all getting compounded in this very, very dense way. And I do think it makes this, this passage important, but may be difficult to read.

00:06:55:55 – 00:07:35:42
Clint Loveall
Yeah, I don’t think that John is necessarily giving us acts here like a play, but there is also a sense in which I think this 17th chapter is very much a conventional chapter, a summary chapter in some way of what has already been said, and therefore sets the stage for the drama of what comes next. And we can we can speak a little more to some of what this means, Michael, but just in terms of these ties, look here, to give the authority to give eternal life to those you have given him.

00:07:35:42 – 00:07:59:16
Clint Loveall
What did we read in John 316? And, and John, you know, probably didn’t know he was writing the verse that would become the beloved standard and be shown at hockey games and Super Bowls. But he knows what he said. And so what does this have to do with? This is the one who gives eternal life and eternal life is that they may know you.

00:07:59:31 – 00:08:38:24
Clint Loveall
And what have we already read? That Jesus came, that those who believe in him would have eternal life? So John is making some connections here. I think this is also Michael. Check me here. I think this may be the only place that I’m aware of that Jesus refers to himself as the Christ. You know, it reads as if it’s a third person, probably a better way for us to read it in English would be and Jesus the Christ, because Christ is the title, Jesus is the name, and Christ is Messiah.

00:08:38:29 – 00:09:13:46
Clint Loveall
And so Jesus here is not speaking of himself necessarily in third person. He’s he’s making a theological statement. And Jesus, who is the Christ whom you’ve sent, this is probably the boldest proclamation or one of the boldest proclamations. Jesus makes about himself. And then if if we could, Michael, jump down to, verse five here, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had in your presence before the world existed.

00:09:13:51 – 00:09:40:36
Clint Loveall
So how did we start this gospel? In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God. And so even here we have a connection with the very opening words of this gospel. We move into verse six. I’ve made your name known to those who gave me, those who you’ve given me. And what did John tell us in the opening chapter?

00:09:40:40 – 00:10:05:13
Clint Loveall
He came to his own, and his own people did not know him. And so he now has made himself known. And he, in doing so, has made God known as well. And so I think it’s really fascinating, Michael, the way that John has sort of reached back in to his own narrative, his own story, and pulled some of these themes here.

00:10:05:18 – 00:10:25:55
Clint Loveall
Again, not to kind of close this section. John doesn’t work like that. But I do think to get us ready to encounter and and maybe more so to get us ready to understand and the next phase of the story that we are about to enter as we move to chapter 18.

00:10:26:00 – 00:10:56:00
Michael Gewecke
There is a amazing image of Christ here, though, Clint, that I think we might miss if we don’t slow down to see it. Verse four I glorified you on earth by finishing the work that you gave me to do. That’s strong language, right? The other gospels are all built on the cross is the defining moment in Mark. The work that reveals who Jesus is, is the moment in which he dies on the cross, that it all pivots around that.

00:10:56:00 – 00:11:26:07
Michael Gewecke
And and here in John, Jesus Christ is the Savior from the beginning of time. That reference from the first chapter in the beginning was the word that John has presented, this gospel of who Jesus is, the testimony of who Jesus is, that Jesus is and has been fully the revealed work of God, the Son of God for all time, including the moment he was born, every teaching he gave, every miracle that he did everything was the summation.

00:11:26:07 – 00:11:58:19
Michael Gewecke
So that Jesus can come to this prayer, glorified you on earth, finish the work that you gave me to do. When Jesus talks in this language, it is abundantly clear to us. It is made explicitly clear to us that that Jesus is beyond anything that we could have imagined, that Jesus is the fullness, he’s the completion. He’s the perfection, and and John, as a gospel, emphasizes this in a way that the others have, but it’s not nearly as robust or, I think, as I’ve single focused in the way that it’s presented.

00:11:58:19 – 00:12:21:46
Michael Gewecke
And so you see how theologically important this gospel is to our understanding of who Jesus is, that the entire church owes a debt to John because of this idea that Jesus is the Anointed One, the Messiah. He he explicitly names himself as such. He’s the one who fulfills God’s expectation. He’s the one who literally makes known God to the world.

00:12:21:46 – 00:12:48:54
Michael Gewecke
He’s the revealer, the witness. He’s the first. And that every disciple follows him. The these are just ways in which John is continuing to have the same focus John’s had all along. What I do think is different is I think that John here is making all of this happen through Jesus’s red letter words and prayer in a way that in some other places in the gospel, it’s been seen in his action or it’s bent.

00:12:48:54 – 00:13:05:04
Michael Gewecke
He said it to another person. In this case, it is just a us hearing a conversation between Jesus and the father and all of these things being laid out sequentially and explicitly as to what Jesus is doing, what he has done.

00:13:05:09 – 00:13:41:53
Clint Loveall
Again, just to remember, there’s you know, there really is nothing. There is no equivalent of this in the other gospels. There are moments Jesus prays, some recorded, some simply note that he was praying. But to to be able to listen in on an extended prayer in which Jesus is specifically praying for God’s glory and tomorrow and the days that come, we’ll see for the the work of the disciples and their safety.

00:13:41:58 – 00:14:14:30
Clint Loveall
And one of the things I think is interesting about this section in the way it might have landed on its readers, might go, if you look here, verse nine, I’m asking on their behalf. I’m not asking on behalf of the world, but on the behalf of those whom you gave me, because they are yours. And it may seem strange that Jesus is making a distinction of praying specifically for believers and not for everyone.

00:14:14:34 – 00:14:51:56
Clint Loveall
Keep in mind that the Gospel of John, we believe comes to a church is written in a time that reflects a church that is very much at odds with the world being persecuted. And and they may have been asking the question, why doesn’t everyone accept this? Why are we being singled out? Why are we suffering? And here they have the they have the reassurance that Jesus not only is praying for them, but understands that not all the world is going to listen.

00:14:52:01 – 00:15:19:13
Clint Loveall
Not all the world is going to respond. Now the church is taken that some interesting places. But I think underneath all of that is, word of compassion to a church in a time of struggle and a reminder for that to pursue the faith is to invite some unhappiness from the world around you, particularly, especially in the Gospel of John.

00:15:19:13 – 00:15:26:55
Clint Loveall
And we’re not done with that theme. But I think in this last on this last couple of weeks, we’ve leaned into it pretty hard.

00:15:27:00 – 00:15:54:07
Michael Gewecke
Now, I don’t know if you’d agree with this. I would argue that this prayer lands in three major movements and we cover the first today. Yeah. Where Jesus begins with the relation ship that he has with God the Father and the work that comes as a result of that relationship, that Jesus is the ultimate revelation of who God is, that the prayer is going to move on and it’s going to address directly the disciples and the believers as you speak about it.

00:15:54:07 – 00:16:28:46
Michael Gewecke
And then that there’s a section in which Jesus is going to pray specifically for the disciples, of the disciples, for the people who will come, even because of the testimony of those that Jesus is praying for. In part two. And if you’ll allow me that part one, two, and three, what makes part one so important is the finality of it, that Jesus is saying all of this in past tense, though the glorification is not yet complete because his death, resurrection, and ascension has not yet happened, Jesus is praying with such concluding type language because at the end of the day, it is done.

00:16:28:46 – 00:16:48:41
Michael Gewecke
Jesus has chosen it. He has lived it out faithfully to this point, and he’s committed to the end. There’s nothing that can stand between the Christ, the Anointed One, the Messiah, and the mission that’s been given him, and the authority and the power that Jesus has been given. At the end of the day, Jesus has set himself to this task.

00:16:48:52 – 00:17:15:19
Michael Gewecke
It’s his compassion that he has for those that will follow him, whose story is now or yet to be lived out completely. That, I think, is important because this becomes the foundation upon which the prayer he’s going to pray for those disciples who receive this book. And we’re struggling in lots of different ways. And when you build a house, it’s always wise to build that house upon something solid and firm, not something that’s going to blow away in the night.

00:17:15:19 – 00:17:38:42
Michael Gewecke
And your Jesus’s relationship with God is set down. It is confidently located. It is firm. You can trust that Jesus Christ is who he reveals himself to be. And the first part of the prayer, I think, establishes that reality. And then the rest of the prayer, to be honest, is a it reveals the heart of what I think is the heart of even the first part of this prayer.

00:17:38:54 – 00:17:53:08
Michael Gewecke
And that is as a pastoral prayer. It’s a it’s a caring prayer. He’s loving on the people who God has given him to reveal this truth to. And and this prayer is building towards that end.

00:17:53:13 – 00:18:19:48
Clint Loveall
I think maybe this will be easier when we summarize after having gotten to the end of the chapter, but the beauty of the beginning of this prayer is to note that Jesus seeks to glorify God, to thank God, to recognize those who have come to him, and then he will go on to pray for them. And it’s a it’s a it.

00:18:19:49 – 00:18:39:43
Clint Loveall
You’re right. It’s wordy. It may feel difficult to access, but it’s a beautiful beginning to a prayer. I glorify you, I give you thanks. I know that you are with me. I know that you are with them. And where that goes will only, I think, continue to build on that.

00:18:39:55 – 00:19:01:45
Michael Gewecke
You know that this is one of my favorite books in the Bible. I’ve got to confess to you, this is not my favorite chapter in that book. Unless I remember that this is Jesus the Christ, the Son of God. Praying not just to the father that we get to here, which is a unique treasure unto itself, but also that he’s praying for us and we’re not there yet.

00:19:01:49 – 00:19:15:07
Michael Gewecke
Tune in next time so you can be part of that conversation. And we’d love to continue on as we make our way through this book. If you’ve made it this far in the study, Thank you. I give this video, like, helps others find it while they’re trying to study their way through John. Just like this.

00:19:15:07 – 00:19:24:16
Michael Gewecke
And a note for all of you friends who are with us live for this. We will not be here tomorrow, but we’ll be back next week on Monday. So, we’ll.

00:19:24:21 – 00:19:29:13
Clint Loveall
Yeah. That’s right. Sorry my days were mixed up. Yep. Michael’s right.

00:19:29:20 – 00:19:29:58
Michael Gewecke
We’ll see you then.